In this powerful live coaching session, Lily sits down with Veronica for a live coaching session—a listener and Main Character Dating client—to explore what it really looks like to start dating again after a painful breakup…while also navigating chronic pain, a disability, and a world that often is deeply ableist.

They explore:

✨ How to know if you’re really ready to date again after a breakup

✨ Navigating dating apps with a disability

✨ Setting boundaries that honor your body and your bandwidth

✨ Why self-compassion is a dating strategy

This episode is full permission to do dating your way.

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Show transcript:

Lily Womble (00:01)

Hey gorgeous friends, welcome to another episode of The Late Bloomer Show. I’m so glad that you’re here. Today I am coaching Veronica, who is a badass, who lives in the UK and also feels like a late bloomer in her dating life. This is what she said in her application:

“I’m struggling to get back into dating after a breakup and getting quality matches on dating apps. I’m struggling also as a disabled woman trying to date. I’m happy with my life, but would love to share it with a significant man.”

And we get into all of that in this episode — how to move on from a breakup if the person broke up with you and it felt shocking and like a surprise. How do you navigate that? How do you navigate dating as a disabled person living in the world? And specifically for Veronica, how does she want to self-disclose — or does she want to self-disclose — about her disability while dating? How can she vet people better to make sure that they are right for her?

And we get into the boundaries that she wants to set and the permission that she wants to give herself. This whole conversation really centered around giving yourself permission to do things your way and not judging yourself for it. And I think you’re really going to love this episode with Veronica. So with that, let’s get into it.

Lily Womble (01:52)

Hi Veronica, welcome.

Veronica (01:55)

Hi Lily, thank you for having me.

Lily Womble (01:58)

So glad you’re here. How are you feeling about this?

Veronica (02:00)

I’m nervous, but I’m also really happy to be here because I’ve been listening to the podcast for about a year and a bit now.

Lily Womble (02:09)

My goodness, that’s amazing. Thank you for listening.

Veronica (02:12)

Yes, it’s been very, very good — very, very good. So really, I feel really privileged that I’m here.

Lily Womble (02:17)

Amazing. Well, I feel privileged that you’re here too, I do. And I’m excited to have you. I’m asking everybody that I’m coaching two questions that will be very familiar for you: brag about anything big or small, and an intention for this conversation. What do you really want to get out of this coaching session?

Veronica (02:40)

My intention is to get clarity on some of the issues that I’m struggling with in the realm of dating, and you know, feeling better about those issues that we’re going to talk about — and hopefully have a bit of an action plan after. And my brag is to be here because…

Lily Womble (03:04)

Cool, love it. What’s your brag?

Veronica (03:11)

I’ve not really… I’ve been on a podcast before, but it was a completely different topic. And I think this is a very different reach as well. And I’ve never talked about very personal stuff like this. So this is definitely a brag for me — that I took the courage to apply and be on this.

Lily Womble (03:27)

Hmm. Well, I’m so excited that you took the leap and are allowing yourself to be supported, be vulnerable, be seen. Because from your application and knowing you a little bit — spoiler alert — you did decide to join Main Character Dating and have been in there for a few months. And it’s been such an honor to coach you in that more intimate space and to get to know you.

Spoiler alert for everybody listening: Veronica and I have coached before, and we’re just gonna dive deeper into some topics that we haven’t coached on yet together necessarily. I’m very excited to keep coaching you. I wanted to reference your application to dive in.

You said you were struggling to get back into dating after a breakup. And this was submitted before you joined Main Character Dating. So I have a two-part question. You said you were struggling to get back into dating after a breakup…

Veronica (04:20)

Yes.

Lily Womble (04:26)

…and getting quality matches on dating apps. Struggling as a disabled woman trying to date was one of the biggest challenges you were facing. Can you take me back to what was going on for you a few months ago when you submitted that application — and has anything shifted in the last few months since you have been in Main Character Dating?

Veronica (04:33)

Yes. Yeah. So, when I submitted this application, I was struggling with my breakup. It was bad in the sense that it really affected me emotionally. It wasn’t a bad breakup in the sense that my ex — who decided to break up with me — said that we only broke up because the distance between us was too much, and there was a lot going on in his life and he was overwhelmed. So he basically dropped what he could drop. But at the same time, he said that, you know, he likes me a lot, and it hadn’t been easy to decide to break up and everything.

Lily Womble (05:32)

Hmm.

Veronica (05:44)

There’s never been animosity between us. But at the same time, because there’s not been animosity — and because I still care about him and he still cares about me — it’s also been difficult to move on and think about having another person in my life and having the courage to put myself back out again.

It took me a very long time to have success on the dating apps, and it took me a very long time to find a person like him. And I felt like — we were together about nine months, and those nine months went very quickly — and then I was back at square one again after having waited for so long for that person.

Lily Womble (06:18)

Hmm.

Veronica (06:40)

And I felt like we had a lot of potential to go very long term. And then, of course, you know, things change very quickly as well. I wasn’t expecting it. You know, it was like — you know, everything was very steady until it wasn’t. It was like that. It was almost like when you switch off and on the light in a room — it was like that.

Lily Womble (06:44)

Yeah. That’s shocking.

Veronica (07:09)

It was a bit shocking, yes. And I’m not saying this because I have any bad feelings for him — quite the contrary. I think he helped me see that a healthy relationship and a good relationship were possible. So if anything, I would always have the utmost respect and care for him. Because then I got to know that he had health problems as well…

Lily Womble (07:31)

Hmm.

Veronica (07:38)

…that made things emotionally more difficult. And I think putting myself out there was difficult. So that’s why I decided to apply for the podcast — because also, at the time, I was buying a house, so I couldn’t join Main Character Dating. And then the house purchase fell through because of things that were out of my control. So then I decided to join Main Character Dating. So, you know, it was — yeah. And I think, like, in general, it’s been very difficult to put myself out there again.

Lily Womble (08:14)

Well… and here we are, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Before we get into coaching, I do want to take a second because you did say in your follow-up — so, for everybody behind the scenes, we send the people that apply an application. And then when they’re chosen, they do like a follow-up form.

I wanted to share that you said, “What have you already tried to work on this?” And this is after you — you know, this is a few weeks ago — and you said, “I’m a part of Main Character Dating. That’s helped massively in reframing my thoughts, giving me new ideas, and showing me I was already doing something right.” And you only joined like two months ago?

Veronica (09:07)

Not even two months! It will be two months in mid-August. So, yeah.

Lily Womble (09:09)

So let’s celebrate what an amazing, like, month and a half you have been in this program. So you said it’s been helping massively. I want to celebrate how you do feel different now than when you first applied — and then we’ll get into what’s next.

Veronica (09:28)

No, I feel like, you know, it really helped me reframe thoughts and how I felt about my ex. You know, we were talking about putting people on a pedestal, and that helped me a lot in terms of thinking I can still care for him…

Lily Womble (09:41)

Yeah.

Veronica (09:57)

…and it can still be — it has been a very good part of my life. But I also owe it to myself to find the person who I want as a long-term partner.

Lily Womble (10:11)

Yes. How is that different than where you were at maybe when you submitted the application?

Veronica (10:18)

I felt that he was a very good person and I couldn’t find another good person.

Lily Womble (10:26)

Yeah. It’s a really common thought that a lot of people who’ve had great relationships that ended suddenly have — especially if it’s like a shocking end. It takes a while to catch up with like, “Wait, what just happened? I thought we were doing great.” And it can be very easy to put that person up on a pedestal and say like, “Well, they were the best it’s ever gonna get.”

Veronica (10:34)

Yeah. And also because, you know, it took a very long time to find somebody like him. So I’m like, now I’m back on the dating arena, and, you know, I have almost this feeling that my energy — I was a lot better at being a partner than I am at finding somebody and being on the apps and all that.

All these things.

Lily Womble (11:18)

That’s such an interesting thought that you’re having — “I’m better at being a partner than dating.” You’re like, Lily, I know.

Veronica (11:21)

You know, I know. I know it’s odd, but it is what I’m… it is what I’m thinking. I’ve been thinking about it. Like, the energy I was putting in being a partner felt so—you know—it didn’t feel like wasted energy at all. It felt like the best use of my energy. Whereas, like, being on the apps feels like wasted energy for me.

Lily Womble (11:41)

Mmm. Mmm.

Veronica (11:50)

I don’t know if I’m explaining myself clearly.

Lily Womble (11:51)

Yeah. No, you’re explaining yourself wonderfully. I think that that’s a really common, normal thing to think because you have a limited amount of time. It’s a finite resource, and you want to be using that time in a way that fills you up. And dating apps specifically can be an incredibly difficult place to be for your brain, body, and nervous system. And it can be a playground for all your biggest insecurities to come out to play.

Veronica (12:21)

Yes.

Lily Womble (12:23)

If you’re not being really boundaried and aware and intentional—which that intentional effort can also be heavy to lift sometimes, you know? Like, yeah.

Veronica (12:32)

Yeah, also the other thing that happened—I felt kind of guilty that I couldn’t process my breakup quickly because I felt like, you know, it’s been more than a year and I should be in a different place. I need to add that shortly before my breakup, I started developing chronic pain related to my disability. So I don’t think—I’m not trying to justify myself—but I had, like, you know, pretty major stuff to deal with as well as, you know, dealing with processing my breakup and the feelings associated with it.

Lily Womble (13:11)

My God, yeah. My God. Well, I think pain is so shitty—I mean, that’s an understatement. And you were dealing with a lot. I think that you can—you said, you offered a little bit of a qualification of like, “I don’t mean to justify,” but why not just stand in your truth that that was a really hard, physically and emotionally painful time? And it sounds like, of course, those two things felt interwoven.

Veronica (13:46)

Yeah, they actually—yeah, they were, I think, like, you know…

Lily Womble (13:50)

What might that permission—to just like stand in that truth that that was a really shitty time—what might that change for you, to give yourself that permission to own that?

Veronica (13:50)

You know, this is actually very good in terms of validation, but to do some more processing again, I think, in terms of what happened.

Lily Womble (14:18)

Yeah. How are you feeling right now?

Veronica (14:20)

Lighter.

Lily Womble (14:22)

Great. What is that like?

Veronica (14:26)

It feels great, actually, because when you have chronic pain as well, it’s not easy to feel lighter because there are some days that you have good days and bad days—but feeling light is not something that you experience very much.

Lily Womble (14:44)

Yeah. What is it like to feel lighter in your body?

Veronica (14:50)

Having this like, you know, no sensations of heavy weight on your shoulders or on your chest or, you know, feeling achy and drained. At the moment, I don’t feel like that.

Lily Womble (15:10)

That’s wonderful. There might be some like, “this is a good day versus a hard day” aspect of that—that you have accessibility to a lighter load today, perhaps. And in that moment of self-permission that you were just giving yourself, I just want to slow this down because what I hear is a recipe that you’re creating to help yourself relieve the pressure moving forward in your dating life.

Veronica (15:16)

Yeah.

Lily Womble (15:40)

So if a moment and a reframe and a deep breath helped you to feel lighter, how can we claim that so it’s repeatable? Does that make sense?

Veronica (15:52)

Yes, it does make sense—a lot.

Lily Womble (15:55)

So what kind of—what was the permission that you needed that created lightness?

Veronica (16:01)

I think talking about it with another person. I have friends, but I don’t have many friends who I feel comfortable with talking about these things. And I think sometimes talking about it with a third person that doesn’t know you as well but has an external view—I find it very helpful.

Lily Womble (16:27)

Hmm. I love that. So part of your recipe is talking about it with someone that feels safe.

Veronica (16:34)

Yes.

Lily Womble (16:36)

Now, I’m curious about your friendships, because this is a theme that I’ve heard also amongst a lot of people that I coach—which is, “I’m not comfortable talking to my friends about blank,” fill in the blank, whatever it is. Can you share maybe why that is—that you feel uncomfortable opening up to your friends about this part of your life?

Veronica (16:56)

I wouldn’t say that I feel uncomfortable. I feel like some of them have heard it before, so I don’t want to kind of like keep going. And also because I don’t think it’s helpful for me to go back always to the same place. I feel like some of them are single, but they don’t seem to be interested in dating in the same way I am.

Lily Womble (17:12)

Mmm-hmm.

Veronica (17:23)

Those who are married or in partnerships, they are not always available. And I think in terms of processing for myself, I feel like having coaching around this topic was what I needed, possibly.

Lily Womble (17:42)

Yeah, yeah, cool. I love that. I just wanted to check in. You know, I have another client who has come on the podcast and shared a bit about this, so I feel comfortable sharing. But she was very afraid to talk about her dating life with her friends because of the fear of being too much or the fear of being judged—and so it created and perpetuated this sense of isolation and loneliness in her love life.

And I get what you’re saying, that you don’t want to—it doesn’t always feel helpful to go back and to ruminate, I would imagine. Sometimes it’s healthy processing, sometimes it veers into maybe rumination. I know that for myself. And I do want you to keep an eye on: how can I bring this into the light more? If there’s any friction point that you feel—for example, Veronica, you said…

Veronica (18:18)

Yeah. Yes.

Lily Womble (18:39)

“I don’t want this to feel like”—I think you said something like, “I don’t want this to feel like an excuse.” But at the same time, as my breakup, I was dealing with a lot of chronic pain. And right there—that friction of like, “I don’t know if I should claim this. I don’t know if this is—” I don’t know what you were thinking, but maybe you were thinking, “Is this an excuse?” or whatever. It’s like—who cares? Why not give yourself permission to own—

Veronica (18:53)

Yeah. Yes, yeah. Yes, yeah. Okay.

Lily Womble (19:06)

Your human story. Not in a pity, not in a “woe is me” way, but in a really grounded, like, “holy shit, that was a lot” way. Like giving yourself that permission to own that story. Part of your story can be really powerful—and in doing so, you’re bringing it into the light.

Veronica (19:19)

Yes. Yes, this is really helpful and makes a lot of sense.

Lily Womble (19:32)

Yeah, I’m so glad it’s helpful. Let’s go back to, you know, part of your first question or struggle point that you were discussing or sharing in your original application—which is dating as a disabled woman and finding the right people for you. Can you share a little bit more about that struggle, about your disability if you want to share? I would love to hear anything that you want to share.

Veronica (20:01)

I’ve been disabled since birth. I have cerebral palsy, which means that I have mobility issues. Up until 10 years ago, I didn’t use any mobility aids, and then something happened to my back that meant that I had to start using a walking frame outdoors. It has been an interesting experience because in one way, it limits you because it’s a mobility aid, so accessibility-wise things are a bit tricky. But at the same time, it gives you a lot of freedom because I feel like I can do a lot more because I don’t get as tired. So it’s been interesting to navigate that relationship with my mobility aid.

I have to say that I live in the UK, but I’m originally from Italy, and the attitude to mobility aids is very different in the two countries. So in the UK, you are encouraged to use a mobility aid if you are disabled to help you. In Italy, things are slightly changing but very slowly. Mobility aids are seen—if you can walk, even with a disability—a mobility aid is seen as something that elderly people use. So if I go back to Italy, I get a lot of questions sometimes and a lot of…

Lily Womble (21:27)

Huh.

Veronica (21:35)

Stares sometimes, you know, in public places and stuff. So I think that has been difficult to navigate and has probably affected my perception of my mobility aid. And going back to dating, I think that this perception of mobility aids and mobility has impacted the way I put myself out there. I’ve been mainly using dating apps and not so much in-person dating or real-life dating. I think dating apps for a disabled person are very convenient because it doesn’t require so much effort. But then there are other issues, like what pictures do you pick? Do you put your mobility aid?

Lily Womble (22:20)

Yeah.

Veronica (22:34)

In the pictures? What do you do if somebody asks you another type of picture? And how do you disclose your disability? Do you put it in your profile or not? Now I put it in my profile because I think if it’s there, then it’s clear. Although, you know, I had some conversations…

Lily Womble (22:53)

Yeah.

Veronica (22:58)

…with people that thought that my disability was a temporary thing. So it’s been, in a way, an interesting experience to be on the dating apps as a disabled woman, but also incredibly emotionally demanding, I think.

Lily Womble (23:04)

Hmm. Yes. Yes. I’m just—my brain is exploding with—yeah.

Veronica (23:21)

On the other side, because of the type of disability I have and the mobility and pain issues associated with that, in real-life dating can be challenging. Or finding a routine that makes sure that I go regularly to social gatherings where I can meet new people.

Lily Womble (23:48)

Right. Right.

Veronica (23:51)

I have this bit of a love-hate relationship with dating apps, really.

Lily Womble (23:57)

Absolutely. I think you and everyone that I’ve ever met. But obviously, you have a very specific experience and a specific set of experiences with navigating people’s bullshit.

Veronica (24:17)

Yes. Yes.

Lily Womble (24:19)

That, as you said, is incredibly emotionally demanding—I think more so than someone who doesn’t have a disability that’s visible on a dating app, because of our ableist culture.

Veronica (24:33)

Yeah. I mean, I think in a way, with time, I’ve learned to see that if somebody doesn’t accept my disability, that in itself is a filter. Declaring my disability in itself is a filter. But it took a long time to realize that, and also to still—you know—it is hard still, because even around…

Lily Womble (24:46)

A hundred percent correct.

Veronica (25:02)

…being safe on a dating app and being safe when you meet somebody—it is actually more difficult. I mean, it’s difficult for everyone, I think, but especially if you have a disability. You don’t want to put yourself out there in case somebody with not-so-good intentions approaches you.

Lily Womble (25:27)

Yeah. You mentioned before we hit record—and you mentioned also, I asked permission—you mentioned that we could talk about this: the experience of being fetishized as a disabled person. What has that been like for you?

Veronica (25:37)

Yes. It’s been horrible because at first, I didn’t realize. I didn’t realize it was a thing, and I didn’t realize it was happening to me. And now I feel almost like I’m looking out for red flags everywhere because of my experience.

Lily Womble (26:05)

Right.

Veronica (26:10)

I’m good at spotting the red flags, I have to say. So I don’t think it will happen again, but I think the reason I want to talk about this is also because, I mean, I wasn’t aware that fetishization was a thing. And, you know, I want other people to be aware that it is a thing.

Lily Womble (26:14)

Yeah, I’m sure. I think that you are navigating so much. I just want to say, you’re doing a beautiful job of navigating a lot of different pieces. And I’m curious how I can support you right now.

Veronica (26:49)

Talking about my experience is massively helpful. I think, like, if you have advice on strategies on how to deal with the things that we discussed—you know, how to talk about disabilities on dating profiles and in DMs, or…

Lily Womble (27:09)

Yeah. Yeah.

Veronica (27:12)

You know, what pictures to include and things like that. And also, I guess…

Lily Womble (27:16)

Yeah. Well, I think that—sorry for interrupting, go ahead.

Veronica (27:21)

Can you have real-life dating with a very limited amount of hours in the week? Or in a month, even?

Lily Womble (27:29)

Huh. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So I hear—how to talk about it, IRL dating—anything else? And we can, you know, go from there.

Veronica (27:41)

Talk about disability in a way that you feel seen and understood, but also in a way that it’s not a pity party, if you know what I mean.

Lily Womble (27:51)

Yeah, absolutely. Because look, you are creating a life in which you’re setting yourself up to thrive in all these different ways. And your life from the outside in — I know that everybody’s life feels different, and obviously everyone has their individual struggles. And you’ve mentioned that, you know, dealing with chronic pain, dealing with navigating the world as a disabled person when it’s set up in a way that is pretty ableist. I’m assuming the UK is fairly similar to the US, and it fucking sucks.

Veronica (28:30)

It’s interesting because the reason I moved to the UK is because the UK is a lot less ableist than Italy. But in the last… I’ve been here 15… I’ve been living in the UK 15 years, and in 15 years this, you know, ableism is more rampant now than it was 15 years ago, I think.

Lily Womble (28:38)

That’s great to hear.

I’m sorry to hear that.

Veronica (28:58)

It’s still very, you know, I have a fully independent life that I couldn’t have in my own country, but ableism is, you know, getting a grip around society in a way that I didn’t see up until a few years ago.

Lily Womble (29:20)

Yeah. Thank you for that context. So I think that all of this, Veronica, comes back to the subject of self-permission, because I have thoughts and hot takes and ideas, but ultimately my work in Main Character Dating in this session and everything that I do is about helping you to know what you want and to trust yourself in wanting it.

Veronica (29:48)

Yeah.

Lily Womble (29:49)

How does that feel?

Veronica (29:50)

Okay, actually, yeah. Yeah.

Lily Womble (29:52)

Great. Love that. Love it. So ultimately, like, how do I talk about it? What pictures do I put? Let’s open that conversation. What pictures do you want to put? And also, I have to say, I was looking on your — in Main Character Dating for those that don’t know, everybody has a student profile that myself and the coaching team keep to track their progress in the program so that we can help hold you accountable, get you moving forward. And you’ve only been in a month and a half, but I don’t see your dating profile review in here.

Veronica (30:25)

Not yet, I’m working on it.

Lily Womble (30:27)

So we can do it so you can review it, get it reviewed soon. I’m so excited about that for you. All that aside, we’re gonna work on the dating profile in full together intimately very, very soon. But I do want to make some decisions now with you so that that process is even more easeful. Does that sound good? Good. What pictures do you want to include? Tell me about including your mobility aid, not including it. Like, what do you want to do?

Veronica (30:38)

Yeah.

Yes, yes.

To include it.

Lily Womble (30:58)

That’s what I was thinking too.

Veronica (31:01)

Me a few months ago wouldn’t have probably wanted to do that, but I would want to include it. It’s part of my daily life and it helps me a lot.

Lily Womble (31:16)

Yeah, absolutely. Why not? I think if I were you and I was faced with like, do I do it or do I not, asking myself — and we’ll use this framework for other decisions that we’ll make together today — but using this framework of like, okay, why would I do it? Can you answer that? Why are you a yes to putting your mobility aid in your photos or in some of your photos?

Veronica (31:18)

Yeah.

Because it’s part of my daily life. It’s like my glasses. Yeah.

Lily Womble (31:46)

It’s part of your life. Yeah, it’s like your glasses. It’s literally like glasses, which is also an accessibility device that a lot of people use. Accessibility devices, hooray, right? Like the more accessible the world can be for everyone, the better. And so you’re just claiming that like, this is my accessibility device. Hello, you know, why would you not put it in your profile?

Veronica (31:53)

Yeah.

Lily Womble (32:15)

Or your pictures.

Veronica (32:16)

I guess because I want to be seen as a person regardless of my disability.

Lily Womble (32:25)

That makes total sense as well. What’s the downside of not having it in your profile for you?

Veronica (32:31)

The downside is that then you have to explain in the DMs to whoever matches with you why you use a mobility aid and everything like that.

Lily Womble (32:46)

Yeah, so it’s saving you from some conversations that you don’t want to have.

Veronica (32:50)

Yeah. It’s not that I don’t want to have them, but it feels… it is heavy, it feels heavy to have to explain myself every time.

Lily Womble (33:02)

Sure. When I say you don’t want to have those conversations, I’m not saying you’re not open to having conversations in general. What I’m saying is, what do you want? You probably don’t want to feel nervous about self-disclosure in a conversation where you just want to be connecting.

Veronica (33:08)

Yeah.

Yes. Yes.

Lily Womble (33:30)

There are some things like, for example, I’ve had an autistic client who wanted to share that they were autistic before a first date so that person could understand them better and show up on a date in a way that was mutually fun and beneficial. And in that way, self-disclosure was something that we navigated and it was an empowered choice that that person was making. That person could have also put it in their profile if they wanted to self-disclose like, you know, “I’m autistic, it’s my superpower, here’s how,” or “I’m autistic, here’s what you need to know about me” in a way that’s unapologetic. If that feels right.

Veronica (34:11)

Yeah, I think that is difficult. That is the difficult part — finding difficulties in how to talk about my disability in my profile, given that you have limited amount of space where to put it, how to talk about it and to convey what I want to convey basically.

Lily Womble (34:31)

What do you want to convey?

Veronica (34:35)

That my disability is a part of my life and I cannot hide that. It can be limiting, but at the same time it’s not stopping me from doing the things I want to do.

Lily Womble (34:59)

Yeah, I think that that expression can be as simple as a both/and statement in your profile.

Veronica (35:09)

Okay.

Lily Womble (35:10)

For example, another example of maybe before and after this approach — another person that I was coaching on this podcast (I don’t know if your episode will come out before or after hers) — but we were coaching through one of her profile prompts, which was, “What do you need to know about me?” was the question in the prompt.

Veronica (35:31)

Yeah.

Lily Womble (35:32)

And she started with, “I have a really demanding job and I don’t have much time, but I do enjoy X, Y, Z.” And it sort of felt like she was apologizing upfront for her schedule. And I was like, why do you need to — no need to apologize. Just put a both/and, like, “I enjoy what I do. It’s really demanding and I live a full rich life.” And I think the same for you. Like a both/and statement could sound something like, “I live a full rich life” — and we can tailor what that is to you. You go into joy-building activities, you’re living in this place that you’ve lived in for 15 years, but you made this giant move. You have friendships, you have a very rich life from my outside-in view, and you have cerebral palsy and you navigate the world with joy and as much as possible, just like…

Veronica (36:22)

Yes.

Lily Womble (36:29)

…hopefully anybody else.

Veronica (36:31)

Yeah? Yes.

Lily Womble (36:34)

How does that feel?

Veronica (36:35)

It feels good and it’s definitely like, I enjoy my life and I have a happy life and I, you know…

Lily Womble (36:45)

Yes, and you’re a badass.

Veronica (36:49)

Thank you, that is a compliment.

Lily Womble (36:54)

You are. I know you in this session and outside of it — you’re a badass.

Veronica (36:55)

That is the real stuff. And I think, I feel like that’s interesting because sometimes I feel if I’m a badass, why can I not be successful in finding the right partner? That’s… yeah. Yeah.

Lily Womble (37:14)

There you go. There we are. It’s the question of this podcast.

Veronica (37:22)

Yes.

Lily Womble (37:24)

If I’m so great, why am I still single?

Veronica (37:28)

Yeah, I mean not that there is anything wrong with being single because, you know, my life is not a life of misery.

Lily Womble (37:33)

I agree.

No! You—

Veronica (37:41)

And I think like, you know, I see people who are deeply unhappy and not single and I’m single and happy. What I would want is to share my happiness with somebody else.

Lily Womble (37:51)

Yes. And that’s what you say in your fucking profile, Veronica.

Veronica (38:03)

Okay.

Lily Womble (38:03)

There, you just said it. You just coined it. Just like, “I live a big, happy life and I’m looking for someone to share my life with side by side.” Like claiming that — this whole session has been about you claiming what you want without apology.

Veronica (38:25)

Yeah, this has been very good so far.

Lily Womble (38:32)

Well, my intention is to support the fuck out of you and everyone who comes on this.

Lily Womble (38:36)

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And now, back to the episode.

Lily Womble (41:48)

Back to the question that you posed, which is like, I heard you say, I sometimes have the thought…

Veronica (41:55)

Hmm.

Lily Womble (41:56)

If I’m such a badass, why haven’t I found my person or why doesn’t someone wanna choose me? Does that resonate?

Veronica (42:03)

Yeah. And also, it’s true that it’s difficult to date a disabled person, but it’s also true that there are disabled people who are in happy relationships. So I have this thing at the back of my head that says, it must be me.

Lily Womble (42:15)

100,000%. I know, I know you do, because you’re here and that’s why this podcast exists. You’re not alone in having that thought. It’s a thought error. It’s not true. But it’s a very human thought that your brain has practiced a bazillion times in order to try to keep you safe from future rejection and hurt.

Veronica (42:37)

Yeah.

Lily Womble (42:49)

What that afraid version of you, maybe a younger version of you, who is afraid that you being yourself is wrong somehow, or that you are a problem somehow, you know—because people don’t want to be… you know, I had this story as a young child that I didn’t have many friendships growing up. I had maybe one friend starting in seventh grade, and then one friend in high school that was really close. But in elementary school, I was very lonely, and I had this thought: “I’m too much, and that’s why people don’t want to be my friend.”

And that carried into my dating life as well. That assumption—that I was a problem to be fixed—

Veronica (43:31)

Yeah.

Lily Womble (43:33)

Led me to settling.

Veronica (43:35)

Okay.

Lily Womble (43:36)

And what helped me, and why I do this podcast, why I built this company, why we coach in Main Character Dating—what helped me that I’ve seen help others—is, you’re going to maybe roll your eyes, but: self-compassion.

Just being really kind to that voice in the back of your head that’s saying, “Maybe it’s me.”

Of course you’re having that thought—because you want something, and it’s not here yet. And with that data, your brain has come up with faulty reasoning.

Veronica (44:14)

Yeah.

Lily Womble (44:15)

There are a lot of people who have relationships and have support needs, or big personalities, or, you know, specific desires in a relationship—and people find relationships every single day. You just haven’t met the right people or person yet, Veronica. What if that was the only “problem” to solve—that you just haven’t met the right person yet?

Veronica (44:26)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Lily Womble (44:46)

How does all this strike you? What’s coming up for you?

Veronica (44:50)

It feels… calming in a way, in the sense that you said it’s only one problem to solve. You know? I mean, it’s a big problem, but it’s only one—it’s not like—

Lily Womble (45:01)

Only one problem—and it’s not you.

It’s solvable when you pursue your desire in a way that is aligned and more joyful. Right? Like, that’s why I say a joyful dating life makes the right relationship inevitable. Because even, like, boundaries I’ll take as more joyful—boundaried, clear, self-permissive—all those things can lead to more joy in your dating life and lead you to putting yourself out there powerfully.

Veronica (45:18)

Yeah.

Lily Womble (45:39)

In ways that you can’t otherwise, right? So I think that this recipe that we’re co-creating—of self-permission, self-compassion, really catching those default thoughts and reframing them in the moment with a more compassionate reframe—is all going to be the recipe that helps you find the right partner.

Thoughts, feelings, responses—tell me.

Veronica (46:10)

Well, now I guess it’s more: use the next few weeks and months to come up with a strategy and implement it, and see how…

Lily Womble (46:22)

Well, let’s talk about it. We still have time in this session. Let’s bang it out.

Veronica (46:27)

I was already thinking about this—to go back on the apps. So, which app? And also to incorporate more in-real-life activities.

Lily Womble (46:40)

I saw your question in Slack, if I may, about Tinder. I would do Tinder. A lot of my clients in the UK use Tinder. In the US, it can be different—it can be more of a casual dating app in the US—but a lot of people also find their partner on Tinder in the US. It’s not a hard and fast rule; it all depends on your boundaries.

Veronica (46:46)

Yeah.

Lily Womble (47:05)

But I would encourage you to think about whichever app you choose first as a high-quality experiment, and less of a permanent decision.

Veronica (47:16)

So try one, and then if it doesn’t work…

Lily Womble (47:20)

If it doesn’t work—and we need to define what “not working” means for you. So I would say, try it for one to two months. And if you violently hate it, and it sucks, and you’re only meeting people that are uninteresting to you, or you get zero conversations in two to three months—sometimes it takes a little bit longer on any dating app—

Veronica (47:29)

Okay.

Yeah. Yeah.

Lily Womble (47:49)

But I would say, like, then we could pivot. If you’re like, “This is not leading to anything and I actively hate this platform,” then we would pivot to another dating app.

Veronica (48:01)

Yes.

Lily Womble (48:03)

Fill in the blank.

Veronica (48:04)

Another question I have is around using apps that are geared at specific sections of the community. In my case, for example, there is this app called Datability that has been created by disabled people for disabled people. Originally in the US, and now it’s launched in the UK. So I wanted to have your opinion on whether you think these apps can be effective.

Lily Womble (48:36)

Yeah, I think it’s a case-by-case basis of identity-based dating apps. Some, I think, are amazing. Datability, I think, is one of those. I would take it case by case. I would say it’s worth your time to take a look.

There’s no harm in—it’s like, this is an example. My guideline that I usually give is: one dating app—no more, no less. You can do less; you can not do dating apps at all. But in this case, I think that the self-permission might say, “I’m going to do the one dating app that I know has ubiquity so that my time is being spent.” Because the thing about dating apps, you mentioned, or I know that—

Veronica (49:05)

Yeah.

Mm.

Lily Womble (49:24)

—that Datability just launched a few months ago in the UK. So the issue might be that most of the users are not in the UK yet.

Veronica (49:27)

Yeah.

No, because when I looked, for example, everybody was US-based still, because it was very early days.

Lily Womble (49:39)

Right. So I would say, yeah, I think that changes as the marketing budget changes and as word of mouth gets around to people and they’re starting to use these dating apps to connect with people. I think that using your profile that we co-create inside of Main Character Dating and applying it to Datability—and just having a profile up and seeing, like, one time, once every week or once a month, looking to see, like, “Who may have joined? Let me see if there’s anybody who I can connect with.” And make sure your location setting is within whatever amount of distance you’re willing to connect within.

But I think it’s a high-quality experiment that is worth your time to see.

Veronica (50:09)

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it’s actually useful because, you know, dating apps are basically blossoming everywhere, and at times it’s difficult to know what to do, I think.

Lily Womble (50:37)

I know.

And I think I’ve given the advice before—I may have written it in my book as well—that smaller dating apps that are more startup, less ubiquitous, can be really fun to use. There are mindful dating apps for people who are really into yoga or really into certain meditations or whatever, and—

Veronica (50:53)

Okay.

Lily Womble (51:07)

They can be fun if that’s your really niche interest and you can meet somebody. The problem is that most of them have a paywall that can be significant to some people depending on financial reasons. And then also, it could be a way that you can use your—like, I won’t say that it’s a waste of time because I don’t think that’s true—but I will say that for dating apps that don’t have very many people on them—

Veronica (51:16)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Lily Womble (51:37)

—I wouldn’t recommend it for your chief resource if you’re going to use a dating app. But I would say that’s why I’m recommending Tinder and Datability for you. Because there are fewer users, I still think it’s worth your time to make connections where you’re at, potentially—hopefully. And because there are fewer users in the UK, I’m assuming based on what you shared, it might be worth your time to do both, because Datability won’t be taking up so much of your—

Veronica (51:41)

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Lily Womble (52:06)

—20 minutes a day of my recommended swipe time. Does that make sense?

Veronica (52:08)

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Veronica (52:15)

And the other side of the question was not so much what activities to do in real life, because I have a few ideas. I think my question is more of a practical nature, in the sense of how to date in real life with an extremely low amount of hours available in a month. That is my—that is my sticking point, I think.

Lily Womble (52:45)

Right, absolutely. Yeah, got you, I got you. So—and this is a really common, common question. You’re not alone. I would say, Veronica, think about your in-person dating life as three distinct pieces, as much as you can. And we can pivot; we can alter these based on your desires and needs and self-permission as needed.

Right? Like, this is not a hard and fast rule. This is a co-creation. So, as you probably know, I think of in-person dating in three pieces, and I’ll share them out loud for those that don’t know. The first piece that we’re talking about is joy-building, but it’s only one of the three pieces. So if you’re talking about “How do I do this with limited hours?”—well, you’re just talking about one piece here. And joy-building is only—

Veronica (53:14)

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah.

Mm.

Lily Womble (53:44)

To increase the quality of your life, the bonus result is that, while you’re increasing the quality of your life at in-person things that bring you joy, hopefully, I want you to be making one connection or saying hello to somebody, or having one new conversation, or making one new friendship if it’s like a friendship-building dinner or whatever. You’re building up connections — social connections — because, in effect, the impact of a dating app…

Veronica (53:47)

Yeah.

Lily Womble (54:14)

…really the only guarantee is that you can expand your social circle and hopefully meet someone in expanding your social circle that is right for you. The same impact is true of joy building when you look for one connection. Even if you’re not attracted to those people there, it’s about building friendships. And that’s how it works for a lot of folks, myself included. I went to an improv class; I made a very, very good friend who I still am close with to this day — years later.

Like three years later, she introduced me to her friends in a different city, and then I met Chris, my husband. So that’s how joy building can be like a sneaky, sneaky way to make new potential romantic connections. But it doesn’t have to be a large period of time — it could be one hour per month that you’re doing a joy-building activity. Some people have financial constraints. They’re saying, “Hey, I want to do all these classes and all these meetups and stuff, but…”

Veronica (54:53)

Yeah. Thank—

Lily Womble (55:11)

“I don’t have the money to do that,” what have you. So we then work with self-permission and working within constraints. If your constraint is a time constraint, then what permission do you need to give yourself to still do it and celebrate your efforts?

Veronica (55:32)

And prioritise it against other things that could be — I mean, not as important — in what I want to pursue.

Lily Womble (55:45)

What do you imagine would compete with the joy building?

Veronica (55:51)

I think, well, from a practical point of view, my, you know, my conditions, but also like, you know, other activities that might be more isolating. And so like, you know, I wouldn’t say ditch them completely, but, you know, carve time intentionally for one hour a—

Lily Womble (56:21)

Yes.

Veronica (56:21)

—of an in-person activity that I don’t yet do.

Lily Womble (56:25)

Absolutely. I would research like any niche interests that you have. Like, for example — I need to actually do this, Veronica; this is good for me to be saying out loud — like a Gilmore Girls trivia night would be something that would be like, “My God, people that I would definitely connect with would be at this thing.” Or a trivia night, or if there’s a singles mixer, or there’s a community group in your area that has a meetup or something — things where you’re like, “Okay, there’s a high probability, or maybe a medium probability, that there’s going to be people at this event that I would be interested in talking to.”

Veronica (56:55)

Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

Lily Womble (57:08)

And doing that like once a month minimum.

Veronica (57:11)

Okay.

Lily Womble (57:13)

And then your goal at that thing, your winning result, is to make a connection with one person or to ask three people a qualifying and disqualifying question — just to practice.

Veronica (57:23)

Yeah. Yeah.

Lily Womble (57:25)

So how does that feel?

Veronica (57:27)

It feels doable. It doesn’t feel overwhelming, and it feels, you know, self-contained. And, you know, I have a few ideas. I wanted to volunteer, and I think that will be good. The only thing about volunteering is so far I’ve seen things that are very physically demanding, so I need to do a bit more research—

Lily Womble (57:29)

Great, I love that. Yes!

Veronica (57:57)

—to find something that is a bit more suitable in that respect.

Lily Womble (58:02)

Sure. I think that that self-permission of like, “What parameters do I need to search within to do what I want to do?” and Googling those exact parameters to see what comes up.

Veronica (58:17)

Yes.

Lily Womble (58:19)

And that self-permission piece and not allowing yourself to not search because of the fear that they don’t exist — like, they exist. These volunteer opportunities, these community meetups that you can join and make connections at. I would also say, let’s talk about the other two pieces of the puzzle. There’s co-conspirators.

Veronica (58:46)

Yeah.

Lily Womble (58:48)

And you and I had discussed separately, “Can this co-conspirator be long distance?” And the answer is yes. The way that you can engage a long-distance co-conspirator — which is basically a friend that you’re getting to help you with dating, being an expert matchmaker for you — is by making a direct ask. Like, “Can we chat about my preferences? Can I share this document with you that I’ve created with all of my essence-based preferences?” And we sort of like—

Veronica (58:52)

Yeah. Yeah.

Lily Womble (59:17)

—get into them, and you not tell me that I’m being too picky, but just like kind of be curious about it with me or celebrate them with me. Or after a date, can we have a debrief call? Is there anybody that you know in my area that I could go on a friend date with or something like that? And if this person travels for work, are they ever in your area? Are they going to a work conference or something?

Veronica (59:33)

Hmm.

Lily Womble (59:44)

All of these tangential connections that people have — tapping your friend to be like, “Hey, let’s come up with creative solutions together.”

Veronica (59:56)

Yes, for ideas.

Lily Womble (59:58)

That will be helpful, yeah. How does that feel?

Veronica (1:00:02)

It feels okay to ask because it’s about — I mean, I don’t mind talking about my dating life at all, but I feel sometimes it can be a bit too much, or, you know, if you are the only single person in your circle, like I am, sometimes I feel like maybe people don’t want to hear. But if I talk about expanding my social circle, then that is something that everybody might have ideas about.

Lily Womble (1:00:36)

Yes. Yeah. I think so, because it’s important — and that’s why I’m glad you’re in the community with us — because it’s all about belonging. At the end of it, this is all about belonging and settle-proofing your love life as a result of seeing that you’re not alone, that you’re not too much, and that your singleness is not a problem to be fixed. You get to want what you want. And so let’s fucking go, you know?

I think expanding your social circle is a piece of co-conspiratorship that you can dive into. The third and final piece of in-person dating is the eye-contact flirting piece.

Veronica (1:01:18)

Yeah. To be honest, I feel like that has been interesting for me — not because I feel like I don’t think I’ve ever flirted overly in my life, apart from with my ex-partner maybe. But I feel like it’s a very important activity, if nothing else because it makes you be present and it makes you be observant of who you meet and be open to them instead of going through life on autopilot.

Lily Womble (1:01:48)

Yeah. Yes, look out when you’re walking down the street — say hello to people, you know? Just practice when it feels physically safe to do so.

Veronica (1:02:08)

Yeah. I feel like sometimes I don’t know if it’s always appropriate because I feel like people in the UK can be a bit reserved. So, I think you need to be a bit careful in reading situations. But there are different ways of being open and kind with a person. It is the—

Lily Womble (1:02:22)

Yes, I’ve heard this, yes. Sure. Yes!

And absolutely, though it might not be — I think this is also a personality thing, right? Like, I’m from the South. I’m pretty naturally extroverted. I’ve practiced my whole life seeing people around me saying hello on the street. Now I live in New York, so I don’t do it as often. Where I was raised, it sort of feels like an obligatory thing that you need to say, you know, if someone’s passing you on a sidewalk. Like, it feels like an obligatory thing, which is bizarre here.

But it’s not everybody’s cup of tea, nor does it need to be. I think when it feels accessible, another theme is: how can you make this more accessible for yourself unapologetically? So if people are more reserved in the UK, on the street or whatever, then get buy-in at a—

Veronica (1:03:13)

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Lily Womble (1:03:42)

—predetermined social engagement, like a volunteer thing or a social meetup or whatever. People are already buying into connection there, and it might feel like an emotionally safer place to practice.

Veronica (1:03:55)

Yeah, yeah.

Lily Womble (1:03:57)

It’s all about radical self-permission — giving yourself permission to do things your way and not judging your way as much as you possibly can. Just being really compassionate, like, “I’m making my way in this dating world, and I’m going to ruthlessly do what resonates for me.”

Veronica (1:04:19)

Yeah. Sometimes I feel like I’m definitely not a very good co-conspirator with myself. I’m my biggest critic. So I think sometimes I feel like I — you know, I wouldn’t say with all myself, but I think, you know, I overthink things in ways that I know I shouldn’t. I’m getting better, but…

Lily Womble (1:04:50)

I think it’s important to recognize you’re getting better. And what were you going to say?

Veronica (1:04:54)

It’s a hard habit to leave behind, I think.

Lily Womble (1:04:59)

And I join you — I’m right there beside you on the park bench. It is so hard in a world where, specifically, women and people socialized as women have been taught, taught, taught to make sure everyone around them is comfortable and okay and not displeased. Right? Like, of course, you would struggle with overthinking.

Of course, you would struggle with this topic of being a co-conspirator with yourself. I also think you are someone who navigates — I mean, navigating chronic pain can be taking up a lot of spoons, I guess, in a day. If we think about the spoon theory of energy, you only have a certain number of spoons each day, and chronic pain can use up a lot of those spoons. And so then maybe overthinking is a result of—

Veronica (1:05:46)

Yeah.

Lily Womble (1:05:57)

—this piece of like, “I should have more energy to give to XYZ.” And I think the radical self-permission — what might radical self-permission sound like for you when you’re overthinking?

Veronica (1:06:04)

Yes. First of all, recognizing that I’m overthinking.

Lily Womble (1:06:16)

Yeah, acknowledging it.

Veronica (1:06:17)

And, you know, acknowledging it and thinking, “Okay, I’m overthinking; I need to use my brainpower on something more productive than overthinking.”

Lily Womble (1:06:30)

Yeah. I think that creative thought can help with anxious rumination and overthinking. Like, I don’t know if you were there on the coaching call when I coached somebody through the experience of biting into an orange and imagining that — imagining what it felt like in your hand, what it felt like to peel it, what it felt like to put it in your mouth, what it felt like to crunch it and feel the bursting of juice.

And I heard this on the Diary of a CEO podcast with an anxiety expert — I forget her name, but it was such a good episode. Creative thought can sometimes interrupt the spiral of overthinking. I also think a deep breath, maybe some nervous system care — the “how to feel anything” exercise — can help you move from your brain into your body.

Veronica (1:07:22)

Yeah.

Lily Womble (1:07:24)

Of noticing where it is in your body, noticing where tightness is or where pain is, even, and breathing into it as just a radical act of self-love. And then also saying, “It’s possible that nothing is wrong.” Obviously, that does not apply when you’re struggling with physical pain or stuff like that — obviously something’s wrong and I wish this was better. But in terms of social interaction or overthinking things that you say — it’s possible nothing is wrong.

Veronica (1:07:52)

This is it.

Lily Womble (1:07:58)

What’s coming up for you?

Veronica (1:07:58)

Right?

I have a lot of work to do. ⁓

Lily Womble (1:08:03)

What is your best next step, Veronica?

Veronica (1:08:07)

From a practical point of view, I think start working on my profile properly. I’ve read the documents and everything. And then start researching volunteering and, you know, in-person social gatherings. Pick my friends’ brains.

Lily Womble (1:08:30)

Yes.

Veronica (1:08:37)

And keep practicing what I’m practicing in terms of being present when I interact with people and when I’m out and about in the world. And also, I think I’m getting better at this, but I need to make sure that it’s actually part of my daily routine — practice self-compassion every day.

Lily Womble (1:09:05)

Yeah, I think it’s like brushing one’s teeth. I think it’s like at least twice a day — a moment of self-compassion.

Veronica (1:09:14)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Lily Womble (1:09:20)

A moment of self-compassion. It could be a deep breath. It could be a five-minute meditation at self-compassion.org. It could be a journaling exercise. It could be re-listening to a coaching call. Like, just having a moment of self-compassion can sound like a lot of things, but ultimately it comes down to, like, “I’m struggling. That’s really human of me. Of course, I’m having these feelings. I’m human. I’m not alone.”

Veronica (1:09:31)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Lily Womble (1:09:49)

Giving yourself the benefit of your context, and not—you’re not a problem to fix, Veronica.

Veronica (1:09:58)

No, no.

Lily Womble (1:09:59)

You’re not. You’re an incredible human being who is living a rich life, and you want to share your happiness with a future partner. And there’s a lot of other things about your life too, outside of just dating and your desires for partnership. But as we’re talking about that in this conversation—like, let’s fucking go! And self-compassion can help you reduce your stress and increase resilience to continue.

Veronica (1:10:13)

Yeah. Yeah.

Lily Womble (1:10:29)

Meeting the right kind of people.

Veronica (1:10:31)

Yeah.

Lily Womble (1:10:33)

And I know that’s a lot that you have to do, but I want you to take it one step at a time. And I also want you to brag more, celebrate yourself more. Like, we have that channel in Main Character Dating for a reason. I want you to celebrate yourself more, even small things.

Veronica (1:10:39)

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay, okay. And do you have any advice on the first step? Because, as you said, yeah.

Lily Womble (1:10:59)

On the first step—what do you need right now? Like, taking a deep breath, tuning in with what you need, what feels most exciting, or something that feels most like what you want to do next?

Veronica (1:11:21)

And it feels exciting and frightening at the same time because I don’t like having pictures taken of myself. But maybe that is the first step because it’s the biggest hurdle in everything I do.

Lily Womble (1:11:40)

Yeah. Yeah. So what’s your next step? Do you have a friend in the UK that you can do a friend photo shoot with?

Veronica (1:11:48)

Yeah, I asked, but we haven’t put down dates or anything.

Lily Womble (1:11:55)

Okay, good. Good job.

Veronica (1:11:57)

So yeah, I have to go back to them and say, “When are we gonna do this?”

Lily Womble (1:12:04)

Yeah, how’s this date or this date?

Veronica (1:12:07)

Yeah.

Lily Womble (1:12:09)

Go fucking do it and brag about it. Brag that you asked! I remember reading or hearing that you’d asked, and that’s amazing. Go do the friend photo shoot — that sounds like a beautiful next step. And then most immediately, today, I want you to do a self-compassion meditation or a self-compassion exercise of some kind, just to get back into your body, take some deep breaths, and be kind to yourself.

Veronica (1:12:16)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes, I will do.

Lily Womble (1:12:35)

You’re doing great, Veronica.

Veronica (1:12:37)

Thank you. Thank you so much.

Lily Womble (1:12:39)

And we can’t wait to see that dating profile come in. ⁓ This is just the beginning.

Veronica (1:12:45)

Yes, thank you so much.

Lily Womble (1:12:49)

All right, Veronica, talk soon. Bye.

Veronica (1:12:51)

Thank you. Thank you for having me. Bye.

Lily Womble (1:12:56)

Thank you so much, Veronica, for coming on The Late Bloomer Show. I’m so grateful that you allowed yourself to be seen and supported. Thank you for your vulnerability and for opening up. I know so many people around the world resonated with your story and are celebrating right alongside you as you continue to put yourself out there with power and self-permission. Now, let’s get into Veronica’s follow-up.

Thanks again, Veronica. I loved coaching you and cannot wait to see what unfolds next as you continue to give yourself that powerful self-permission—as you continue to step into your main character season in your love life and everywhere.

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